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  1. Your child really does have a big heart.  Apparently he did pick up on a lot of the trouble and pain that others have and that shows his character.  However, I for one believe that a lot of that also comes from being raised properly and I would bet that his parents share credit for his obvious unselfishness.

     

    I've voted for him, wish I could have caught it earlier so I could have voted more.

  2. AuburnChris, that was exactly the plan!  According to Google it only adds about an hour to the trip.  Well worth it if true.  Worth a shot anyway.  Are you familiar with 231?  Is that good road?  It looks like mostly 4 lane, which is right in my 60mph wheelhouse.   

     

    When we are leaving from our home in Alabama, we have traveled the I-65, 231, I-10 route many times.  Hwy. 231 is a decent road and is only congested in the area around Ozark, AL and Dothan, AL.

    There is a way to bypass Dothan, but I wouldn't advise someone unfamiliar with the roads to try it, especially after dark.  I can give you those directions if you so desire.

    As far as where to stay, we always use Stephen Foster Folk Culture Center State Park in White Springs, but from I-10 that would require you to drive a few miles north on I-75 once you got to the I-10, I-75 junction.  You might want to check out some of the other choices if that's too inconvenient. 

     

    As a alternative route, we also use Hwy. 84 out of Dothan, AL and take I-75 out of Valdosta.  I primarily do this because I hate the traffic, especially trucks, on I-10.  The only congestion that amounts to anything on this route is Thomasville, GA.  I actually prefer this route when we leave from our Alabama home.

     

    When using the I-65 route, make a note on the best way through Montgomery, AL.  When coming into Montgomery, take I-85 and get off on exit 9, Hwy. 271 (Taylor Road) which will take you to Hwy. 231.

     

    Welcome to the board, there are tons of information about Disney and most other subjects here.  If i can help you any further, just let me know.

  3. People ride trikes for a variety of reasons

     

    Medical issues, comfort, need to haul items, fear of 2 wheelers, just to look to cool,  etc.

     

    Ray have you ever seen one of these?

     

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    It's a Giant Revive

     

    http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/bikes/lifestyle/600/28460/

     

    There were sold as "comfort " bikes

     

    Fully  quickly adjustable, easy to get on and off, comfortable seat with back support.

     

    There are 2 or 3 different models.  Some have wheel covers over the spokes, some have a luggage carrier with an attached bag.

     

    First time we saw one was at the Fort.  A family of 3 had them.  I was talking to the dad about them and he said they were the best bikes they ever had.  I showed them to my wife and a couple of months later she had located one on Craigslist in great shape for a "decent" price and it was only about a 90 minute drive.

     

    They have been discontinued for a while, so when you find one they usually demand a higher price.

     

    They are heavy, but with the way they are designed you can really put some muscle power into them with little effort.

     

    Might be a little easier to transport than a 3 wheeler.

     

    I have only saw one of those and it was parked at a house off of the Timpoochee Trail in Seagrove, Florida.  The DW and I, stopped to have a good look at it and stayed afraid that the owner would show up and think we were going to steal it.  There is a bike shop in Birmingham that sells that particular brand of bike, but I don't remember ever seeing one there.

     

    As you say, it looks like it's out of production now, but one might be able to locate a used one.  I read some reviews about it and the only negative that I found was the fact that they are heavy.  The model pictured weighs 40 pounds, but that may, or may not be a drawback for me.  Think I'll check on it the next time I'm at my Alabama home.

  4. Wow, Ray.  Thanks for sharing that!

     

    Good for you.

     

    My crack about the granny trike was a poor attempt at humor.  Your story is a good reminder that we never know what another person's backstory is, and everyone has one.

     

    So, ride on.

     

    I won't laugh behind your back.

     

    At least not about the granny trike.

     

    TCD

     

     

    I thought it was in good taste, I am definitely not thin skinned----if one is, they probably don't need to be on this board anyway.

     

    Fact is, the DW and I both got a kick out of the name for the trike---it will now, and forever be known as the "granny cycle".

     

    I just thought it might be interesting to know how I came about to ride one in the beginning. 

  5. You got the title of this thread right.

     

    You ride a trike?

     

    Like my grandma used to ride around the mobile home park?

     

    That is very odd indeed.

     

    TCD

     

     

    I want to take this opportunity to give you a little history that might explain why I ride a "granny cycle".

    About 14 years ago I sustained a very serious injury to my right leg.  This accident caused a tearing of the Tibia just below the knee joint and a partial separation of the Fibula at its attachment to the Tibia at the knee joint.

    At the same time this caused serious damage to all of the ligaments within the knee, including the PCL which almost separated from the bone.  The ACL was damaged so severely that it required taking a piece of ligament from my left leg in order to use it for repair of the right one.  All other ligaments were also damaged including the MCL and LCL group.

    The bone repair and some of the ligament repair was done in the initial operation that lasted over nine hours.  This included using some cadaver bone for grafting and placing a steel plate that extended over half the length of the leg and also included the placement of other screws within the knee structure.

    Suffice to say, the fact that I can walk normally today is a credit to God and the skill of two UAB professors, one a bone specialist and the other a ligament specialist.  At the time this happened, UAB Hospital in Birmingham, was engaged in a trial for a new treatment for knee injuries.  At the heart of this treatment is the use of the Compass Knee Hinge in lieu of the, then, standard non-invasive, knee brace that was used in prior injury repair.  This hinged brace is attached to the upper leg and below the knee by studs that are screwed into the bone.  The brace allows hinged motion of the knee as opposed to prior technology that was fixed.  I had to sign a release to get this used as it was in the trial stage at the time and was not yet approved by the authorities.  As it turns out, this was a stroke of good fortune as the doctors told me that the standard treatment would not have allowed for nearly as complete healing as was accomplished by the new technology.  I was only the second person at UAB, where the trial was being carried out, to receive this brace that is now standard procedure nationwide for the type injury that I had.  I had to have three other operations and numerous arthroscopic procedures before the repairs were complete.  This required me to have to wear the Compass brace two more times which required me to have to take untold hours of therapy to rehabilitate the leg three different times.  This all took the better part of four years.

    So, what has that got to do with a granny cycle?  During the first time, and the two other subsequent times that I had to rehabilitate my leg, the granny cycle became one of the most important items in my therapy.  It allowed me to use the leg to increase its motion and strengthen it like not much else could have.  It was recommended therapy and was paid for by the insurance company.  Unlike a two wheel bike, the granny cycle allowed me to use the leg without ever putting my entire weight on it which I could not do for months at a time.  It was, in a few words, a life saver for me.  I rode the trike all over FW after the first brace came off (six to eight weeks) and after the other two times that I had the brace on.  That, along with many hours of conventional therapy allowed my leg to return to 90% of its normal flex.  Anything less than, around 88% and you cannot walk without a limp.  In the end, my leg has ended up being as strong if not stronger than the non injured one.

    As one grows older and begins to develop other signs of aging, that many of us know about, it is very important that we get as much exercise as possible.  My doctor warned me that keeping my leg exercised on a continuous basis would be paramount as it could begin to regress due to normal aging.  Keeping the flex at or below the 90% level is not an option, for me it is a necessity.  Fortunately, the granny cycle is perfect for this exercise because it is heavier than a two wheeler and is much easier to adjust so that it pushes my leg higher and keeps my flex in line with what is needed.  As a further benefit it can carry a picnic lunch or other items and has become the ride of my choice in many cases.  The first granny cycle is now retired.  It was a 24" job that was cheaper built than my present ones.  I put nearly 600 miles on it and then bought another 24" that has three speeds and is the one that I use at FW most of the time.  I also own an aluminum frame 26" that I use mostly at my PCB location.  I am also very capable of riding a two wheeler and I own an expensive aluminum frame model that is also three speed.  My DW, and I are avid cyclists and ride quite often.  Whether I use the two wheeler or the trike depends upon the type, and location where we intend to ride.  I have a rule of thumb that says that I ride at least 20 miles every day that I am at the Fort and I have been doing this for years.

    I didn't mean to go on a rant, but this is just to say that it doesn't bother me how odd I look on a granny cycle, or if I am laughed at behind my back.  In fact, I may just have the last laugh considering how some of those people riding the golf carts at the Fort look.  I'm not talking about those that have good reason to be riding in a cart, but its my guess that those others can't walk two miles much less ride a bike for twenty, so let them laugh if they must.  When they are 76 years old, as I am, they might just be happy to walk around the house.  As for me, I would rather look odd.  And, by the way, when we were at the Fort a couple of weeks ago, I saw some young people riding, two of which were on trikes.

     

     

  6. Just before a rain shower started this afternoon, I stopped by Meadow Trading Post to check the wi-fi location out at the rear entrance.  I actually parked my trike at the front bike rack and walked around the building to the back entrance.  I wanted to see if there was power plugs there so I could use my computer from that location.  I saw the plugs and immediately walked back around to the front to get my trike and be on my way.  As I knew I would only be a minute or so away from the trike, I had left my camera in its basket.

     

    When I came around to the front, the rain had just started and was falling quite heavily when I reached my trike, so I jumped on it and quickly rode around to the back to get under the shed there.  After stopping under the shed, I sat down on the bench and that's when I noticed that my camera was gone.

     

    My DW, who was already under the shed, went inside and inquired if anyone had turned a camera in and, believe it or not, a lady had turned it in.  She said she didn't want it to get wet, so she took it out of the basket and gave it to the CM inside.  I was only gone from the bike rack about one minute and how I missed seeing her get the camera was really odd.  I was relieved to find that no one had stolen it, but I can't help but wonder what I would have thought if I had saw her taking the camera from the basket. 

     

    It also serves to remind me how fast someone can steal something since I know I wasn't away even for one minute.

  7. Just saw a post elsewhere that someone with a reservation for this weekend that had requested the 800 loop was called and told that it's being closed for maintenance and they'll now be assigned to 700.

     

    If anyone has any confirmation of this, please let us know.

     

    If you went by the number of sites that are filled, it looks like they are planning on maintenance for several of them.  I was through the 1000 loop Tuesday and it was about three quarters empty.  Today, it had gained to a little over a quarter full.  There are several loops in here that look deserted.  I'll do some more looping on Thursday.

     

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  8. Just saw a post elsewhere that someone with a reservation for this weekend that had requested the 800 loop was called and told that it's being closed for maintenance and they'll now be assigned to 700.

     

    If anyone has any confirmation of this, please let us know.

     

    If you went by the number of sites that are filled, it looks like they are planning on maintenance for several of them.  I was through the 1000 loop Tuesday and it was about three quarters empty.  Today, it had gained to a little over a quarter full.  There are several loops in here that look deserted.  I'll do some more looping on Thursday.

  9. We will be checking in this coming Sunday and all this talk about the check in prodedure has me wondering what to expect.  We haven't been there since last October, so will we stop at a guard shack as has been the case?

     

    We have used the back gate to come and go in the past, but I assume that you couldn't use it to check in--is that correct? 

     

    We decided not to use the online check-in option as I have read on the forum that it has not made a great deal of difference---is that assumption correct?

     

    We might have had trouble once or twice over several years checking in, but then only around holiday periods.

  10.  

    Paraphrasing something I saw posted out on the interwebz that made me actually LOL...

     

    From the Disney Marketing genius handbook:

    1. Dream up elaborate-sounding event that in reality is a few cupcakes and some cheap champagne
    2. Set astronomical price -- multiply by 3.14159
    3. Restrict availability to create demand
    4. Bam!  Meet that quarter's profit goals.

     

     

    More truth than fiction in that.

  11. Yep.

     

     

    The article above seems to refute what was published back in April when it was reported that Disney backed off on at least some of the layoffs after the governor got involved...

     

    http://orlando.suntimes.com/orl-news/7/135/176830/walt-disney-world-backs-layoffs-250-tech-workers

     

     

    Here's the thread we had going in the debate forum at the time...

    http://www.fortfiends.net/forum/topic/15496-fury-rises-at-disney-over-use-of-foreign-workers/

     

    I don't know about the rest of the IT world, but there are several indications and a lot of evidence that the banking community is going down a similar road. 

     

    My DW had worked in IT in the banking industry for almost 30 years, 12 of those being with the last company she worked for and, along with many others, received almost the same treatment as did the Disney workers.  The difference was, that they were moving their work to Mexico and they were required to stay and train these new people under the same circumstances as were the Disney people.

     

    They sent the people up from Mexico and had the employees work with them directly for two months and when it was apparent that they could not learn the system in that time frame, they had to keep some of the American workers over and she was one that they held over for another month to try to get them trained.  Finally, they had to send them back to Mexico to work in the center there and had to keep a skelton crew locally in order to keep things going as they needed to go.  Those people are still there to this day and they report that the Mexicans still can't get some things straight---this after eleven months have passed.  In the meantime, they also had an outage that shut the operation down for over a day and had to be brought back up by the American workers.  We were told by one of the supervisors that are still at work locally, that they doubt that these people will ever be able to take over the whole system without their help.  One of the main problems is, that these people can only speak English at about the first grade level.  However, the bank is saving money, just not as much yet as they first thought.

     

    Turns out that they did my DW a favor though, as she now has a much better job in IT with another company that she just loves.

     

    People in this country need to wake up and see what is happening.  I, for one, after my DW's experience, feel guilty for patronizing Disney and I certainly would not do business with a bank that send most of their money out of the country, not to mention all of their customers confidential business.  The Federal Reserve did make them do a few things differently after finding out they were doing this, but I still wouldn't trust them.  As a side note, this particular bank had already been bought out by a foriegn banking firm and they also lied to the employees about them losing their jobs for over eight months.

     

    I hope I gave the name away without saying it, as I'm not sure about posting it here.  Since this happened, I have also read where the whole banking industry is looking at doing the same thing and after what happened at Disney, it looks like they are not the only ones.

  12. We do the drive very similar to Spec. (Ours is about 12 hours) We usually leave around 2pm Central which puts us through Atlanta after 7pm Central, then stop somewhere as far South in Georgia as we can manage. Depending on traffic, sometimes it's Tifton, sometimes it's Valdosta. Then we stop for the night, and get to the Fort by checkin time.

     

    What roads do you use from Madison to Atlanta Carol?

  13. I live in central IL and have friends who have a house in Cape Coral.  Her hubby is thinking of heading down 1st thing tomorrow morning to hurricane proof their house.  His wife and I think he's totally nuts.  We live through tornadoes and he thinks it won't be any worse than that.  Will he even be able to make is there?

     

    It would probably be a wasted effort if he did go, this storm is not going to do much wind damage in that area, if any.  In fact, the National Hurricane Center says it will probably be downgraded to a tropical depression once it leaves Hispaniola and then might strengthen back up to a minimal tropical storm after that.  The latest projection shows it tracking off of the western side of Florida and staying in the open Gulf until making landfall south of Tallahassee.  Of course things can change with these storm in a short time, but right now I don't see it doing a great deal of damage to the west coast of Florida with top winds at 50 mph and below.

     

    It looks like I will have to keep a keen eye on it now, as Panama City Beach is within the cone of possibility for landfall, but unless it begins to strengthen while in the Gulf and becomes a hurricane, I'm not going to fret a lot about it as a tropical storm is not going to affect me that much, especially a minimal one.  The weather people do not expect it to become a hurricane--but we shall see.

  14. We have been to Disney twice during Hurricane/Tropical Storms.

     

    The first time was at the Fort with our original PUP.  I can't remember when it was, and I can't even blame an excess of beer for forgetting.

     

    This was long before the interweb, weather apps, and probably cell phones

     

    I remember getting a letter saying they suggested that people start securing their sites and they would let us know if there was going to be an evacuation to hotels.  Maintenance started securing the large loose objects around all of the properties.  At this point in time, there was a lot more wind and little or no rain.  We got a hold of the front desk and confirmed that we could leave early (I think we still had 2 days left) and that they would refund the $$.  By the time we got done packing up, they did start the evacuation.  From what I remember they said to pack bedding, medicine, food, and they sent everyone to the ball rooms of the contemporary, they did not provide rooms.  We drove home to Tampa, and didn't encounter a drop of rain on the way or at home.  Orlando did get sideswiped and got a lot of rain and some strong gusts.  I remember seeing pictures of toppled big planters and ripped up metal and fabric awning at a few of the Disney resorts.

     

    The next time we encountered problems was a double whammy and we drove into it.

     

    We had booked a Treehouse Villa for my daughters birthday, someplace we had always wanted to stay.  Then 9/11 occurred, and a tropical storm was heading up the eastcoast of FL with a possibility of it reaching Hurricane strength.  We called Disney probably 4 or 5 times after 9/11 and before we drove over making sure everything was still a go between the storm and the attacks. We were assured it was.

     

    So we fought the storms and arrived to check in.  We then got the wonderful news that because the storm was approaching they shut down the treehouses, but we got to stay in the Golf Villa!!!  They tried to make it sound like they were doing us a favor, and it was a take it or leave it deal. The villa was nice, but it had a horrible layout for a family.  The master bedroom overlooked the living room, kitchen areas and the walls didn't go to the ceiling.  So you heard everything going on in the living room, TV, music, talking.  We made do with what we got, but weren't happy.

     

    We had written to customer service when this happened, hoping to cut a deal on another stay at a treehouse, but they wouldn't budge.

     

    Shortly after that, they closed down the treehouses for quite a few years.

     

    When I saw that they were re-opening them, I wrote to customer service again trying to cut a deal, but ....

     

    So that's our tales of weather related issues at the Most Magical Place on Earth!

     

     

    I was at the Fort the following week after 9/11 and the storm you speak of was tropical storm Gabrielle which cut a swath across Florida dumping torrents of rain but it did not become a hurricane until after it exited Florida when it briefly attained minimal cat one status.

     

    What I remember most about that stay at Disney was the lowering of the flag at MK on the second Saturday after 9/11. They had a couple of vets assisting the Disney guy and it had drawn one of the largest crowds that I have ever seen.  There wasn't a dry eye to be seen in the crowd, including my own.

     

    To make it even more memorable, I was still in a wheelchair due to having had a serious leg injury the first part of July in that year.  My DW pushed me all over WDW that week and obtained sainthood status with me.

  15. Heck yes, it's irritating.

     

    But what else is new?

     

    We've been dealing with irritating for years.

     

    My kids used to bug me to death to let them drive the golf cart before they had their licenses because they saw so many other kids doing it.

     

    The rule used to be only one car per campsite, and I used to dutifully move any extra cars we had out to the overflow lot, only to see others keep two or more cars at their sites.

     

    I don't care what the rules are- but if there are rules, I really wish that they would uniformly enforce them.  For the prices they charge, that is not too much to ask.

     

     

    Yeah, I agree.  But, it's their sandbox, so their rules.

     

    This is one rule that they have been enforcing, and it's been well over a year since I've seen anyone with a pop-up and another RV on one site.

     

    A pop-up parked on a site is a heck of a lot less damaging to the surrounding wilderness than some giant tent that someone has set up off their site.

     

    The idiots in charge don't care if the rules make sense or not.

     

    TCD

     

    Of course, either selective enforcement or no enforcement of the rules have always been a sticking point, and everyone has a story they could tell about it.

     

    We once let a friend and her child stay in a tent behind our trailer and, upon arrival, she brought her car down to the site to unload a few items.  Prior to her arrival there was a site across from us that had two cars parked in front of their trailer, (this was before they changed the rules to allow two vehicles), in such a manner as to make it very difficult for anyone to back their trailer into sites on the other side.  There was also a vehicle parked in a natural area between two sites, up from the site we were on. 

     

    The Fort ranger happened to come by while she was unloading and chastised us for having two vehicles and we had to tell him that the vehicle wasn't going to be left there.  Still, he wasn't very nice and said we should have went up to the overflow lot and picked the things up in our vehicle.  Be assured that this extra vehicle was in no way impeding anyone getting by or entering a site, unlike the one directly across from us. 

     

    The icing on the cake was when he left without even noticing, or caring, about the two vehicles in the other site nearly blocking access to others, nor did he even notice the one parked in the natural area one space up from our site.  I wish I could say that this was the only time that I have experienced things such as this, but unfortunately that would not be true.  To this day, I regret not calling his attention to the other violators, but I was thinking, how could he miss them?

  16. There is a back way onto the property that has very little Disney signage.  None of the big overhead ones, just a couple small signs directing you to some of the resorts.

     

    I can't link the map, but if you go to Google maps and enter these streets it'll make sense to you.

     

    The only drawback to coming this way is you will have to do a sharp about 120 degree turn into the driveway.  Not sure if the big boys can handle that turn, my pick up and little PUP can do it.

     

    Maybe some Class A or TT people will chime in about the turn.

     

    535/Winter Garden Vineland Road to Vista Blvd.

     

    Stay on Vista past the stop sign, then thru the stop light at Golden Oaks, and you'll arrive at the Fort on your right.

     

    It's about 2 miles from the 535 turn off.

     

    We always come in this way and there is very little, if anything, to give away the fact that you are at Disney.

  17. The defective steering is the tie rod issue on some of the HD Rams.  The bulk of the recall and the buybacks are the ram 1500, 2008 - 2012 for the pinion  nut recall.  I don't get that one.  I had the pinion nut recall done a year and a half ago, and so have 60% of the other Ram 1500 owners to which this applies.  The remaining 40% have not pursued the recall and the NHTSA says that Ram was not aggressive enough going after those who did not get it performed.  I don't quite get that.  Chrysler was slow with the parts on the recalls, especially as they were trying to recover and re-establish their supply line.  However this is WAY overblown.

     

    The NHTSA was right on this one, Chrysler was either negligent or their dealers were negligent.  I own a 2011 Ram and had all kinds of trouble getting the pinion nut recall done.  Chrysler says the recall was first advertised on February 13, 2013, but I didn't get notification of the recall until, sometime in November of that year and the repair didn't take place until October 2, 2014.

     

    As a note, I must say that this truck doesn't get daily use and, in fact, sits for long periods of time without being driven.  Due to that, I admit to not pursuing the matter as diligently as I probably should have, but here is my experience.  I first called my dealer in November of 2013 about this recall and was informed that they did not yet have the parts available to make the repair.  I was told, at this time, that I would be notified when to come in for the repair, but heard nothing from them.  Note, that this was nearly 7 months after they claim the recall was advertised, and they still don't have the parts?  I received another letter advising me of the recall, around March of 2014, and visited the dealer at that time.  The service advisor said that they still didn't have the parts for the repair and entered my information into his computer saying that I would receive a call when the parts arrived.  Again, I heard nothing from them.  On October 2, 2014, I took the truck in for another minor problem and inquired about the recall while there.  This was the occasion that I finally got the recall taken care of.

     

    Again, let me stress that I might have gotten this done a little faster if I had pursued it properly, however you can see that they were still claiming they didn't have the parts available as late as March of 2014.  I did read on other forums that the unavailability of parts was experienced by others trying to get this repair.  My Son is a diesel mechanic and had checked the pinion nut on a couple of occasions just to make sure it wasn't unsafe to drive.

     

    Having said all of that, I can still say that my experiences with the Ram have been positive.  I owned two Dodge Dakotas and a 2004 Ram before we purchased the one we have now, and I have had no problems of any consequence over this time.  It is important to note that the recall for the steering problem does not apply to all of the vehicles indicated on the recall notice.  There is a website that you can visit and find out if your particular vehicle is one of those affected.  I have checked mine and found that it is not in the recall and I have never had any steering issues.  If I were looking for a new tow vehicle, I would include the Ram in my search, and if you are interested in a used one, have the seller or yourself check the website and see if it is part of the recall.

     

    http://recalls.mopar.com/

  18. It's thought to be one of the best, most elaborate pools on property, and one of the biggest. 

     

     

    https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/recreation/beach-club-resort/pools-beach-club-resort/

     

    It was also the first one where they seriously cracked down on making sure only guests of those resorts were allowed in. I'm not sure if that was a reaction to the pool being mobbed in the beginning because other people were coming in, or they just assumed it would be and nipped it in the bud.

     

     

    I had assumed that the pool being so elaborate was probably the answer.  Most likely would be abused since it is so large an area and watching for new arrivals would be so difficult, so checking at the entry points makes sense.  Still, one must wonder why entry to the Fort pool isn't checked any better than it is.

  19. They said they had dogs, and one of the reasons they were going to the RV was for the generator, as well as the speed of setup... they said they were mainly browsers, and just looked at the site, and had user names, but didn't post much... we may never know unless they chime in

    I do believe they are from Florida as well... I may be wrong though 

     

     

    I couldn't help but notice one of the advantages of an RV cited above.  The only thing that I can think of that an RV doesn't have to do, as opposed to a trailer, is to disconnect the hitch when setting up and re-connect when leaving.  This takes me all of five minutes to do either way, but I do know that there are some campers that consider this a chore.

     

    Not knocking an RV by any means, just commenting.

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