Lou... 3,118 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 However, if they take away my paper ticket when they do that, I am SOL on Fast Passes? Why is that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alexwyattmommy 181 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 You can put your fast pass on your wrist band at the park the same as getting them with the paper tickets? Are there separate kiosk things for them then? And maybe I'm a bit slow, but how on earth am I supposed to remember the time if I can't see it? Keeping a pen and paper is going to be one more thing to carry that I don't want to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lou... 3,118 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 You can put your fast pass on your wrist band at the park the same as getting them with the paper tickets? You can use your smart phone to select FPs. Are there separate kiosk things for them then? Yes, Non resort guests can't obtain FPs ahead of time and some people will not want to use the new system and some people do not have a smart phone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alexwyattmommy 181 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Are the kiosks located next to the same Fast Pass machines as the paper ones at each ride offering Fast Passes? If I go to Space Mountain, I have to have all four of us in line to get the Fast Pass? No more me holding all the cards and getting them by myself? So even though the pre-booking of Fast Passes is not up and running yet; I can still the the bands and use them to get daily Fast Passes? ETA: I know I was red-head when we me, but I'm a natural blonde. And it is showing with this new stuff. Once I get the hang of it, I will be able to help others. Unfortunately, I'm still needing step-by-step instructions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ImDownWithDisney 342 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 We don't have AP's, but I have been using the app and the free WiFi this week. The WiFi sucks. They need a lot more bandwidth once this system rolls out. The app is a bit buggy and slow at times, but it's not too bad. It will definitely need some polishing up, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lou... 3,118 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 ETA: I know I was red-head when we me, but I'm a natural blonde. And it is showing with this new stuff. Once I get the hang of it, I will be able to help others. Unfortunately, I'm still needing step-by-step instructions. I don't know when your trip is Annie, but you may be jumping the gun. Most NextGen components are still being tested and will not be implemented property wide until that testing is complete.The first wide spread usage of the MagicBands will be by the usual guinea pigs, the CMs, and I haven't heard any date for that yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alexwyattmommy 181 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 They are showing us the magic bands just to get us excited? ROFL, figures. I guess I can unwind my panties. 2nd week of June is our trip. I know it is not the best weather or crowd wise, but it is still Disney and a whole year sooner than I was expecting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lou... 3,118 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 They are showing us the magic bands just to get us excited? I agree about them dragging it out? I think I know why they're doing it that way. They're getting a ton of publicity and free advertising out of it.Just remember that all the gimicky stuff is optional and the rest of the stuff is fairly intuitive.It's hard to say as it depends on how well the testing has gone and how well it will go in the broader tests and whether or not they have to make changes, but as June is only two months away, my guess is that it's unlikely that you'll get MagicBands by then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alexwyattmommy 181 Posted March 22, 2013 Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Thanks Lou. I will stay to my normal game plan then and worry about that stuff for next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuckeyeFortMama 43 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 We switched them yesterday. The kids loved that they got to pick their character. We used them this morning at MK and they are slick as a whistle even with the kids having to give their fingerprint. If there is any drawback it's that 5 of those new cards take up more space in the wallet than the paper passes do. We still hold all our kids passes and we need to carry all their KTW's too (for EMH-although no one checked this morning) and that takes up a lot of space. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lou... 3,118 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 for EMH-although no one checked this morning Tell me you didn't wake up your entire family at 6am for a silly 7am EMH. Please tell me that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alexwyattmommy 181 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 She's from Ohio. Of course she did rope drop. It's what we do. :D ETA: She probably woke them up at 5:30. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GaDawgFan.....Kelly 799 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 We switched them yesterday. The kids loved that they got to pick their character. We used them this morning at MK and they are slick as a whistle even with the kids having to give their fingerprint. If there is any drawback it's that 5 of those new cards take up more space in the wallet than the paper passes do. We still hold all our kids passes and we need to carry all their KTW's too (for EMH-although no one checked this morning) and that takes up a lot of space.I'd love to hear what you got done in that 7am rope drop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuckeyeFortMama 43 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 This is our view as we entered the Odyssey Center Then we were ushered over to a table that had 4 people sitting behind it to help 4 different families (there were 5 or so tables set up with 4 people each). They were ready for the crowds but there weren't crowds when we were there. Here the kids are choosing their characters for their cards. Then they ask you to try them out as you leave so that it can record your fingerprint. BradyBzLyn...Mo and Tri-Circle-D 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Total Joker ... TJ 203 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 It will be cool just to get into the old Odyssey restaurant again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Judy in Texas 150 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 She's from Ohio. Of course she did rope drop. It's what we do. :D ETA: She probably woke them up at 5:30.I didn't know it's in our genes. Although I haven't lived in Ohio for 30 years, I still consider myself a Buckeye. MK rope drop is a must on my first full day at WDW. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Good job on the photos and report, BFM! You got a rare TCD up arrow for that! TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lou... 3,118 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 The previous system also used bio-metrics, normally called a fingerprint, it's not, however the number generated by the system based on what it sees in your fingerprint was stored on the ticket/card. RFID technology does not store info on the card, so it has to be stored on the database.Disney has been trying to find a way to prevent people sharing APs for as long as I can remember, I'm wondering if this makes it less prone to allowing someone's AP to be used by a different person? Then they ask you to try them out as you leave so that it can record your fingerprint. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 The previous system also used bio-metrics, normally called a fingerprint, it's not, however the number generated by the system based on what it sees in your fingerprint was stored on the ticket/card. RFID technology does not store info on the card, so it has to be stored on the database.Disney has been trying to find a way to prevent people sharing APs for as long as I can remember, I'm wondering if this makes it less prone to allowing someone's AP to be used by a different person? I always thought biometrics referred to the previous scanners that required guests to insert two fingers into a scanner. Supposedly, these scanners measured something to do with the configuration of a guest's fingers. I can tell you for sure that those stupid things didn't work. Back when they had those, I didn't go to the trouble of handing out the right pass to each kid in our group- the machines let all of us in using any pass. A few years back, they went to fingerprit scanners. I have often heard it say that these also are biometric readers, but I think they really do read fingerprints. I think Disney downplays this because of guest's unease with Disney having a database containing their fingerprints. These fingerprint scanners seem to actually work- although not very well. I wouldn't be surprised if the RFID readers are using some new technology which I hope works better than the fingerprint scanners they have at the turnstiles now. TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lou... 3,118 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 No, the new or the old system does not read fingerprints.They stopped using the 2 finger scan system about 7 years ago and like the current system it was a biometric fingerprint scanning procedure and not a finger print recording machine. They will always use the words fingerprint scan, scanner, or reader, not just the word fingerprint. Your fingerprints are not stored somewhere. Below is from the Mouses's mouth. "The reader does not collect fingerprints and takes no personal information from any Guest. The scan does create a numerical value that is associated with the ticket." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nicki aka Rebelstand 272 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 19 days until i go get my new plastic card!!! Maybe a cranky schmuck face bus driver will bring his handsome Buddy by to see me too... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 No, the new or the old system does not read fingerprints.They stopped using the 2 finger scan system about 7 years ago and like the current system it was a biometric fingerprint scanning procedure and not a finger print recording machine. They will always use the words fingerprint scan, scanner, or reader, not just the word fingerprint. Your fingerprints are not stored somewhere. Below is from the Mouses's mouth. "The reader does not collect fingerprints and takes no personal information from any Guest. The scan does create a numerical value that is associated with the ticket." That's a typical load of Disney crap. Of course it collects personal information- how else do they check to see if the guest using the scanner is the correct guest? TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Katman1356...Jason 1,140 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 I always thought biometrics referred to the previous scanners that required guests to insert two fingers into a scanner. Supposedly, these scanners measured something to do with the configuration of a guest's fingers. I can tell you for sure that those stupid things didn't work. Back when they had those, I didn't go to the trouble of handing out the right pass to each kid in our group- the machines let all of us in using any pass. A few years back, they went to fingerprit scanners. I have often heard it say that these also are biometric readers, but I think they really do read fingerprints. I think Disney downplays this because of guest's unease with Disney having a database containing their fingerprints. These fingerprint scanners seem to actually work- although not very well.I wouldn't be surprised if the RFID readers are using some new technology which I hope works better than the fingerprint scanners they have at the turnstiles now.TCDWe have these scanners at work and I can guarantee it doesn't take fingerprints. It actually measures the distance between the lines in your fingerprints and then uses a mathematical formula to create a number. During the winter we have a lot of trouble with these because as people's hands dry out the lines spread further apart and change the measurements. The same thing happens of you press down real hard when registering. If you don't match the pressure the next time the measurement changes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 We have these scanners at work and I can guarantee it doesn't take fingerprints. It actually measures the distance between the lines in your fingerprints and then uses a mathematical formula to create a number. During the winter we have a lot of trouble with these because as people's hands dry out the lines spread further apart and change the measurements. The same thing happens of you press down real hard when registering. If you don't match the pressure the next time the measurement changes. This must be the kind of system Disney uses- as we often have to stand at the stupid machines and have our prints rescanned. And measuring the lines on someone's fingerprint and assigning a mathematical value to it is still mining personal information from that person. Isn't that what all fingerprint scanners do? To say they aren't storing people's fingerprints is just a matter of semantics. TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 BTW- I finally got an email from Disney today (March 26th) telling me that passholders can convert their paper passes to the new RFID cards beginning March 20th. Hey, they're just 6 days late. Much better than normal. TCD Nicki aka Rebelstand 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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