h2odivers...Ray

Can't change it, can't stop it, enjoy it while you can, that's my plan.

But you used a key word; "purchase".  We will still take the bus to Fort Wilderness sometimes to walk around, or have breakfast at Trails End.  To me, freeloading is using the amenities that should be strictly for the people paying to stay there (or another Disney resort when they allowed pool hopping).  This would mainly be the pool.

We own our business. And plan carefully 

I don’t think they announce which one and when it will be available.  At least I don’t remember them doing that. 

No joke. It is not worth it. My fuel and 7 night stay at the fort 2 weeks ago was less than 2k. You can easily spend that on food in a week if you are not careful. Camper cooking FTW.

For my crew, a nice dinner out at Disney can easily run $300-350, and add in characters or a show like the Hoop and we're talking $600-700.  It's just not justifiable on a regular basis.   

I’d like to take a Disney tour someday.  This might be a good first tour for us,
 
That’s cheap for a 3 hour tour. 
Did the weather start getting rough?
was their tiny ship tossed?
 
 

They can transport larger assistive devices and sporting equipment in the cargo area. I transported Ed’s hand bike from CT to florida and that’s how they handled it and it was really big. 
And since it is a handicap device it should be transported at no charge. 

Y’all missed out on the beauty of having a stroller. 
DD was 2 1/2 years old on her first trip. And we loved having a stroller.    It held her snacks, drinks, extra clothes. She took her afternoon nap in it. 
The stroller allowed us to enjoy the park for longer each day.  There’s no way a 2 1/2 year old could walk around all day nor my back could have handled carrying her for extended periods of time.  
Sometimes I wish we still had the stroller. I’m tired of lugging around a back pack all day. 😂 

Wow!  A change that i actually agree with!  Lol. 

Exactly. 
The problem isn’t the scooter or the stroller. It’s the people who operate them.  

Jason never stopped trying. Chances are you called me at my day job where I didn't have your information with me. Sorry I wasn't able to get you the days but I know for a fact I never promised I could get days. When I agree to take on trying I am straight up with people that I will do my best and check repeatedly but unfortunately what shows up for availability is out of my hands. If you had concerns with me it would have been great if you had expressed them to me. I would have been more than willing to release the reservation back to you so you could try on your own. 

Jason wasn’t any help to me, I got up with him about 6 months before and he told me no problems he could get more days for me. I sent him a text two months before my trip and he didn’t even know who I was. About a month before the trip I called Disney checking on something else, I told the agent that I was looking for more days at the Fort the agent got me one more day. I couldn’t get it because I had a agent. Jason never did find me any extra days. 

Last week my parents were in Disney World and they took the Walt Disney: Marceline to Magic Kingdom Tour. It was a 3 hour tour and was $50 (before their AP discount ). They both really enjoyed it and have talked about it a ton. The guide took them Haunted Manison, Small World and Carousel of Progress.  They had head sets and he talked the whole time pointing out different things on the rides and while walking down Main Street, etc. they said they highly recommend it.

Whatever you get make sure your tow rig and hitch set up is on point. Even a small TT can be a handful with an undersized tow rig and/or improperly set up hitch.

I’m in. And second. 
I’m glad to know that second is still the number one spot. Lol. 
Look forward to reading more!

If/when Disney prices us out we will be at some other campground having a good time sitting around a fire. We enjoy camping wherever it is....from Disney to boondocking at a dirtbike race. We're campers. 

Perhaps this will be a good thing.  
I’ve heard some complaints about how the Fort is ignored by management and neglected.   From freeloaders at the pool and picnic pavilions.  Etc.    
You know they’re not going to ignore a brand new dvc.   There will be new restaurants and bars for all to enjoy.  Maybe they will build a nice bar, on the water, with rocking chairs on its porch.  
Maybe a quick service food court and/or an elegant dining restaurant on the roof with a view of the MK fireworks.  (Hopefully they’ll have sushi).  
 
I’m hoping the new dvc will allow some of us that can’t afford an RV and a stay at the fort a place we can stay and enjoy the fort and all it has to offer.  
We really enjoyed our stay at WL and enjoyed taking the boat over to the fort.   And it would be nice to walk out of our room and enjoy the fort. 
 
Just trying to make lemonade out of these lemons! 🍋   😂 

ONCE A FIEND!  
ALWAYS A FIEND!
You can’t get rid of us that easy!
like Dave said you don’t have to camp at the fort to be a fiend. 
We all share a love of the fort, Disney’s, and the friends we’ve met there and here on this forum.  
Please keep posting. You’ve got years of experience and wisdom to share.  

ONCE A FIEND!  
ALWAYS A FIEND!
You can’t get rid of us that easy!
like Dave said you don’t have to camp at the fort to be a fiend. 
We all share a love of the fort, Disney’s, and the friends we’ve met there and here on this forum.  
Please keep posting. You’ve got years of experience and wisdom to share.  

We do have a travel agent that sponsor our forum, Jason...Katman. 
He can certainly help you with getting your reservations. And his services are free of charge. 
Yes people book reservations to get by the 30 rule for getting FPs for off site stays. And also for getting around the 60 day rule for onsite stays.   And then yes they cancel them once they get their FPs booked. 
And yes apparently Disney is closing this loophole. 
As long as Disney thinks of ways to control peoples vacation people will find ways around Disney’s systems.   I’m sorry to say I’ve used this trick and others to get FPs we want.  Try and get Flight of Passage FPs at the 60 day mark during a busy season.  It’s next to impossible.  
i personally would like to see them get rid of ALL FPs.   And all ADRs, and have a walk up, first come first served policy  for attractions and dining  
FPs and increased attendance have created stand day lines that are hours long.  
I was standing in the FP line for soarin and we got stopped after the CM let about 20 FP holders go. 
I asked the CM how many FPs they let go for every stand by person.  She said about 20 FPs holders to every 20 stand by people but half of the time it’s only 10 stand by people for 20 FP holders.   If this is true for all rides then it would cut the standby lines in more than half.   I’ve read on other forums that the ratio is much greater  favoring FP holders  I’ve read that it was 3-1, 4-1, and 5-1  depending on the ride.  That’s crazy  
 

Relax and take turns having a drink at Crockett’s tavern while the little one plays at the playground with your significant other. 
Watch the electric water parade from Clementine’s beach at night. 
Go fishing at the pond. Just watch out for this crankynold guybthat claims ot for himself. Lol. 

The way I understand it they will still keep their FPs. 
 
I wish they would go back to the old system.  Walk up to an attraction, and get a FP.   Completely fair system  
IMHO. Disney creates these silly rules and people find ways around them. 
Yall do know you can book FPs before the 60 day window?   Or is that a loophole people don’t know about???
Try getting a dinner rezzie at Christmas.   They are all booked at the 180 day mark.   Because most people don’t know exactly which day they will eat at...,insert restaurant here, so they make a rezzie for every day they will be at WDW.  And tie up 5-6 rezzies 
And then they finally get to book their FPs, 30 or 60 days out.  
“But wait. Are we sure we want to eat at BOG on Wednesday or Thursday?  Let’s wait till cousin bob decides what he’s going to do. 
As long as we cancel 24 hours before our rezzie we will be fine.”  
Thats why you can sometimes book dining rezzies that morning. 
I think as long as Disney keeps trying to control how we Disney, people will try to beat the system.
Hey Disney...like my mom use to say...K.I.S.S.  
Keep It Simple Stupid! 
And you won’t have to try to close loopholes.  

The way I understand it they will still keep their FPs. 
 
I wish they would go back to the old system.  Walk up to an attraction, and get a FP.   Completely fair system  
IMHO. Disney creates these silly rules and people find ways around them. 
Yall do know you can book FPs before the 60 day window?   Or is that a loophole people don’t know about???
Try getting a dinner rezzie at Christmas.   They are all booked at the 180 day mark.   Because most people don’t know exactly which day they will eat at...,insert restaurant here, so they make a rezzie for every day they will be at WDW.  And tie up 5-6 rezzies 
And then they finally get to book their FPs, 30 or 60 days out.  
“But wait. Are we sure we want to eat at BOG on Wednesday or Thursday?  Let’s wait till cousin bob decides what he’s going to do. 
As long as we cancel 24 hours before our rezzie we will be fine.”  
Thats why you can sometimes book dining rezzies that morning. 
I think as long as Disney keeps trying to control how we Disney, people will try to beat the system.
Hey Disney...like my mom use to say...K.I.S.S.  
Keep It Simple Stupid! 
And you won’t have to try to close loopholes.  

We travel extensively and are finding more and more hotels that charge resort fees.  Hotels all over Orlando, even ones outside of the Disney bubble, are now charging resort fees.  We are going to Las Vegas next month and every hotel except maybe a Motel 6 is charging a resort fee. 
Besides if Disney raises their nightly room rates people will notice immediately when they are on line comparing prices. But if they sneak in a resort fee, like other resorts. People dont notice the resort fees easily. 
Also WDW’s nightly room rate will be more inline with surrounding resorts nightly room rate.