shoreline99 137 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Didn't see a post here in the construction forum so I wanted to mention it. Interesting discussion going on in another forum about the draining of the moat around the castle and filling in of part of it by Casey's Corner (the first aid area) and the opposite side heading towards Tomorrowland. It appears they are creating FP+ viewing areas in addition to expanding the walkways. FP+ is here to stay whether we like it or not... Here's a link: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/moats-around-cinderella-castle-to-be-drained-for-refurbishment-starting-tomorrow.880663/ Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere here. There are some good overlays in this thread showing the size of the infill and expansion, along with details of the FP+ areas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Thanks for posting this. It isn't something that I had heard about. I'm not sure I understand why this is a big issue to anyone. It seems like a great idea. New walkways are good. And more places with a clear view of the fireworks/castle show are good. If part of the moat has to go, so be it. TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beckers 1,136 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Thanks for posting this. It isn't something that I had heard about.I'm not sure I understand why this is a big issue to anyone. It seems like a great idea. New walkways are good. And more places with a clear view of the fireworks/castle show are good. If part of the moat has to go, so be it.TCDWhat he said. I'm pro being able to move more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
h2odivers...Ray 952 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Thanks for posting this. It isn't something that I had heard about. I'm not sure I understand why this is a big issue to anyone. It seems like a great idea. New walkways are good. And more places with a clear view of the fireworks/castle show are good. If part of the moat has to go, so be it. TCDGood idea!Are you kidding me?Where the heck I'm I going to able to dive for coins if they fill in the moat?I need the extra money to pay for all these price increases. BradyBzLyn...Mo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mouseketab.....Carol 1,261 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 They are good at making whatever they do pretty attractive, so I don't see a downside..... Except that there will now never be a boat ride of any kind all the way around the moat (I think) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shoreline99 137 Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I think my issue is more that creating FP+ 'experiences' and 'FP+ only' areas will soon become the norm, but i suppose it's not much different than the reserved seating for Fantasmic! that you can get as part of a dining package. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaveInTN 3,247 Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 The swan boats were never coming back anyways. I say fill in the entire moat and put in reclining theater seating for the castle projection and fireworks shows. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LONE-STAR 370 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 The swan boats were never coming back anyways. I say fill in the entire moat and put in reclining theater seating for the castle projection and fireworks shows.Can you imagine what they would charge for that. And they would call it the Lazy man party show. Complete with Bufflalo wings, popcorn, pretzels, peanuts, and Beer( Root beer) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Katman1356...Jason 1,140 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Can you imagine what they would charge for that. And they would call it the Lazy man party show. Complete with Bufflalo wings, popcorn, pretzels, peanuts, and Beer( Root beer) Can i get FP+ for that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
h2odivers...Ray 952 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Can i get FP+ for that?Me too! Me too!Except I want to have ADR at BOG so I can real beer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devores 382 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Its not a big deal. Part of the plan is to open up areas to ease congestion. I fact, over by the first aid/baby care area, the railings that use to keep people out of the grass are gone and people can now sit on the grass and watch the fireworks. The only part of the moat that may be filled in will be by Crystal palace and the smoking area by the plaza. Just enough to add a walkway. This is a guesstemation of what may come. Not much of a change and all that grass will be available to sit on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Its not a big deal. Part of the plan is to open up areas to ease congestion. I fact, over by the first aid/baby care area, the railings that use to keep people out of the grass are gone and people can now sit on the grass and watch the fireworks.This is good and useful information. That is currently a great spot to watch the castle show and fireworks. If the railing is down, then there's a lot of space there. But, is there anything to keep guests from falling in the moat? This is a guesstemation of what may come. Not much of a change and all that grass will be available to sit on.That's a much bigger change than I thought. There's a whole new pathway there leading to the Plaza Restaurant. And that whole paved outer circle around the hub is new. Anywhere along there would be a good place to watch the fireworks.TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devores 382 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 The railing around the moat is still there. Its the railings around the grassy areas that are gone. Like the one by the outside eating area at Casey's. there's also talk (aka rumor) that the tress will be either severely trimmed or taken out to open viewing up even more. Loose the dead space caused by the trees and bushes. They will be replaced by low bushes and topiaries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Katman1356...Jason 1,140 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Looking at that picture if it ends up being accurate it looks like the rose garden is going to be gone. Any word on that Dave. Sil loves that area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devores 382 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Looking at that picture if it ends up being accurate it looks like the rose garden is going to be gone. Any word on that Dave. Sil loves that area. Again, that picture is just a guess. Not sure on how the plans will really turn out. So no, no word on the rose garden. That is one of our highest grossing positions in DPI. It would be a shame to loose that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Katman1356...Jason 1,140 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Again, that picture is just a guess. Not sure on how the plans will really turn out. So no, no word on the rose garden. That is one of our highest grossing positions in DPI. It would be a shame to loose that. Thanks Dave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Katman1356...Jason 1,140 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Disney shared a virtual look at what wil be happening on the Parks Blog today. http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2014/02/magic-kingdom-enhancements-include-special-viewing-area-new-pathways-gardens/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWBktbaiFb8 BradyBzLyn...Mo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaveInTN 3,247 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 That's a fascinating video there, Jason. I took the final view from that video and set it side by side with a satellite image from Google. It's remarkable how much this is going to change that area. Although I imagine within a short time the average guest won't even notice the difference. Diehards sure will, at least for a while. On the left is what it is projected to look like. On the right is what it has looked like. There is going to be a lot more concrete....translating to a lot more area to disperse the crowds both during fireworks, and just moving around, in particular when the hub is closed off for a parade or show. Avatab.... Steve and BradyBzLyn...Mo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Katman1356...Jason 1,140 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 If accurate it looks like the Rose Garden path may be gone as well as the old swan boat dock across from Cosmic Ray. Also it's hard to tell but I think all the little character statues in the hub around the Partners statue are gone as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 That's a fascinating video there, Jason. I took the final view from that video and set it side by side with a satellite image from Google. It's remarkable how much this is going to change that area. Although I imagine within a short time the average guest won't even notice the difference. Diehards sure will, at least for a while. On the left is what it is projected to look like. On the right is what it has looked like. There is going to be a lot more concrete....translating to a lot more area to disperse the crowds both during fireworks, and just moving around, in particular when the hub is closed off for a parade or show. Great job on the photo comparison Dave. This is a huge project. The blog says it won't be completed until 2015. As I said earlier, though, I'm not against any of this -I think it's a great idea. TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BradyBzLyn...Mo 2,023 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Just gotta say that the prospect of sitting on the grass there watching Wishes (vs standing for ages in the hub packed like sardines) gets me all verklempt just thinking about it. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devores 382 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I know its a small detail compared to the scope of the project, but did anyone notice the gazebos near the castle where the sound equipment and lighting controls are? And the light towers that are next to the castle? They are getting a make over as well to bring them more into the castle theme rather than the MS theme. BradyBzLyn...Mo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tri-Circle-D 2,059 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I know its a small detail compared to the scope of the project, but did anyone notice the gazebos near the castle where the sound equipment and lighting controls are? And the light towers that are next to the castle? They are getting a make over as well to bring them more into the castle theme rather than the MS theme. That is actually one of the first things I noticed. The little structure to the left as you face the castle is one that I've paid attention to a couple of times lately. It has a water fountain in it, but otherwise, seems to have no purpose. But, if you watch, CM's wheel full trash cans behind it and disappear. I figure it must be an entrance to the Utilidors. Most guests walk by and pay it no attention, but they're not fooling me. The proposed makeover makes these structures blend in much better. TCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tim5055 120 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I know its a small detail compared to the scope of the project, but did anyone notice the gazebos near the castle where the sound equipment and lighting controls are? And the light towers that are next to the castle? They are getting a make over as well to bring them more into the castle theme rather than the MS theme.I totally missed it, thanks for pointing it out. Looks much better this way. I really like the total project which as others have pointed out will clear up congestion in this area a lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devores 382 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 That is actually one of the first things I noticed. The little structure to the left as you face the castle is one that I've paid attention to a couple of times lately. It has a water fountain in it, but otherwise, seems to have no purpose. But, if you watch, CM's wheel full trash cans behind it and disappear. I figure it must be an entrance to the Utilidors. Most guests walk by and pay it no attention, but they're not fooling me. The proposed makeover makes these structures blend in much better. TCDWhich structure are you referring to? I am assuming the Gazebo type structure. This building is multi purpose. On the top houses the sound boards and light controls for the castle stage. Anytime you see a show on the stage, look at the roof of that building, you will see the techs sitting up there. The bottom, in addition to the water fountains, is the custodial area. Inside is where the hub custodial crew work out of. There are several of these bases all around the parks. There is a port where they can dispose of the trash into the vac system that then transports it to the central collection facility, a mile away. They also store supplies and equipment in there. There is no utilidor entrance in there though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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