Retired and Happy (Ken) 101 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 So, when do they start taking all the old pines from the campsites? They must be as old as those at the outpost, and one RV is likely more expensive than 4-5 carts. Or maybe those are protected lizard/squirrel habitat? Or maybe WDW had to pay for the broken carts, but does not plan to pay for broken RV's? BTW, We have a stand of old pines in out back yard and have lost several over the years. It's usually the ones standing somewhat alone that get snapped off about 20 feet above ground. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpy and Grandma 739 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 So, when do they start taking all the old pines from the campsites?They've been doing that on and off as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaveInTN 3,247 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Makes me pine for the old Fort. BradyBzLyn...Mo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avatab.... Steve 124 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Makes me pine for the old Fort. I see what you did there So, when do they start taking all the old pines from the campsites? They must be as old as those at the outpost, and one RV is likely more expensive than 4-5 carts. Or maybe those are protected lizard/squirrel habitat? Or maybe WDW had to pay for the broken carts, but does not plan to pay for broken RV's? BTW, We have a stand of old pines in out back yard and have lost several over the years. It's usually the ones standing somewhat alone that get snapped off about 20 feet above ground. Several years ago we were camped in our new Class C on the 1900 loop and had a tree fall on the front bunk area, destroying the bed and crushing it down onto the hood. Thank God no one was in it at the time, anyone in the bunk would have been seriously hurt or killed. (FW worker bees were great to us, FW and Disney mngmt were awful but thats another post...) Shortly after that (within a few weeks) was when Disney started to slash and burn all the underbrush and "extra" trees at the Fort. We were told that the underbrush and heavy growth was causing the larger trees to rot and die..... ? So they have a pattern of reacting like this in the past. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pool guy Mickey 8 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Just be careful when they start clearing all the trees. It will be like camping in the Villians lot. BradyBzLyn...Mo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Retired and Happy (Ken) 101 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 About three years ago we had to disconnect and pack everything away and move temporarily so the Arborist could remove a pine tree at the back of our site. It was leaning and a storm was expected that night. The arbor crew helped us take everything down, and after the tree was gone, they helped us move back and set up again. And if you have seen our Christmas sites, that was a big job. 500 loop as i recall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daverene 14 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I love all the trees at the fort but... I live in south west fla and the pine trees get really weak as they get older. I can see why they take them down as time goes on I would rather have them removed then them going threw my rv Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daverene 14 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I see what you did there Several years ago we were camped in our new Class C on the 1900 loop and had a tree fall on the front bunk area, destroying the bed and crushing it down onto the hood. Thank God no one was in it at the time, anyone in the bunk would have been seriously hurt or killed. (FW worker bees were great to us, FW and Disney mngmt were awful but thats another post...)Shortly after that (within a few weeks) was when Disney started to slash and burn all the underbrush and "extra" trees at the Fort. We were told that the underbrush and heavy growth was causing the larger trees to rot and die..... ?So they have a pattern of reacting like this in the past. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daverene 14 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Just wondering what management said about that did they cover the damage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avatab.... Steve 124 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Just wondering what management said about that did they cover the damage Since you asked....No, they didn't. I was ultimately told that FLA law absolves Disney from any "Acts of God" that occur on their property and that it was strictly between me and my insurance co. (one thousand dollar deductable...) I say "ultimately" because it took several days of phone calls and having to demand a meeting with the Fort manager (who lacked ANY people skills whatsoever) to get any straight answers from anyone...... It ended up costing me several thousand dollars, a ruined vacation, 2 weeks of time (it happened the first night we were there, and then I had to take another week to drive back 2 months later to pick up the repaired camper), and worst of all a very disillusioned Fort Wilderness camper..... I will never look at Disney and FW the same way again, although I have moved on and did come back to the Fort after a few years of missing it. I agree w/ TCD's take that the Fort is a wonderful place being managed by idiots.... :) It was my first lesson on how Disney and the Managers regard the campground and the campers in it. IMHO if we had been guests at one of the hotels we would have been treated far differently...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daverene 14 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Wow good info my thought they own the tree not god Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lou... 3,118 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 IMHO if we had been guests at one of the hotels we would have been treated far differently...... That implies that the Fort is the only WDW resort being managed by idiots. I would have to strongly disagree.The "Peter Principle" runs rampant at WDW as a whole.Having worked for dozens of mangers over many years, it's sad to say, but only a handful of them stood out as being competent for the position they held. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avatab.... Steve 124 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 That implies that the Fort is the only WDW resort being managed by idiots. I would have to strongly disagree.The "Peter Principle" runs rampant at WDW as a whole.Having worked for dozens of mangers over many years, it's sad to say, but only a handful of them stood out as being competent for the position they held. Agreed. No question there are plenty of "Peters" at WDW as a whole. My comment was based on one of my many phone conversations during this ordeal where I got a mid-level person to admit that if my property had been damaged in a hotel, that Disney would "of course" reimburse me....! (IIRC, my example to him was an expensive camera that ceiling tiles had fallen onto) He went on to say that trees were different, and that even though they were owned by Disney, any damage caused by a tree falling was an "Act of God"..... To which I replied that if a tree at Epcot or the AK fell onto someone or something I would bet that Disney would be saying something different. and that pretty much ended that conversation..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CCIntrigue...aka Gwen 547 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I keep wondering if Disney was negligent. Was the tree dead? Or have rotten/diseased spots? Would Disney then be responsible? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alexwyattmommy 181 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 IF it were dead, then Disney would be liable as they should have removed it. If it were still alive, then it is an act of God. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
h2odivers...Ray 952 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I had a neighbors tree fall on a rent house during a storm. My insurance company (adjuster) said that it was an act of God and they would pay not my neighbors insurance even though it was on their property. I said, (not an exact quote) i just wish they would have taken that old tree down last year when a big branch came down on there back porch and they were told that the tree was dead. Well that changed everything and their insurance ended up paying. So if your in a site that has a questionable looking tree complain about it so if something happens they might be liable. Key word might. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mouseketab.....Carol 1,261 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 So sad to see them go, but if a tree is a problem tree, I say chop it before it causes damage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
h2odivers...Ray 952 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I agree with Carol. If its has to go it has to go. Here is a picture of the tree that had to go. It's actually the root ball after the bulldozer pushed it out if the ground. It's on it's side and that's me standing next to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
libba 0 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Pine trees fall! Especially in storms with high winds. Hate to see them go but totally understand the reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AuburnJen 771 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 So now the question begs.... Are they going to put something there to replace it or shall we just go ahead and put the kiosk up for the 3000 loop that everyone is demanding? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
momof3kids-Yvonne 594 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 So now the question begs.... Are they going to put something there to replace it or shall we just go ahead and put the kiosk up for the 3000 loop that everyone is demanding? I was thinking the same thing. It seems a perfect location for the 3000 loop Welcome Center and Check in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ftwildernessguy 778 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Quit yer whinin. It's Disney World, not a stinkin campground. There's nothing in nature that Disney can't make better out of plastic. BradyBzLyn...Mo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avatab.... Steve 124 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Quit yer whinin. It's Disney World, not a stinkin campground. There's nothing in nature that Disney can't make better out of plastic. It's funny you should say that, I was just reading a story on Yesterland about the original Fort Wilderness on Tom Sawyer Island at Disneyland.... Disney built the actual Fort from real trees and had to eventually close it due to wood rot. So they built the one at Disneyworld out of plastic logs...... ! :) http://www.yesterland.com/fortwilderness.html BradyBzLyn...Mo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pool guy Mickey 8 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Good to know about the act of god clause. If you check our camping trip from 12' I had a huge tree branch land 3' away from my slide out. That was a bad camper trip. 3 AC units, water main break, roof leak and friends ended up getting sick. At the fort so I guess it wasn't that bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpy and Grandma 739 Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 They're working all over the FORT. This was in the 400 loop yesterday.<br /><br />Today they're on the main road just past the horse trail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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